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Muslims are not happy


Brilliant One ……….Just Brilliant !

Muslims are not happy

They’re not happy in Gaza
They’re not happy in Egypt
They’re not happy in Libya
They’re not happy in Morocco
They’re not happy in Iran
They’re not happy in Iraq
They’re not happy in Yemen
They’re not happy in Afghanistan
They’re not happy in Pakistan
They’re not happy in Syria
They’re not happy in Lebanon
So, where are they happy?
They’re happy in Australia
They’re happy in England
They’re happy in France
They’re happy in Italy
They’re happy in Germany
They’re happy in Sweden
They’re happy in the USA & Canada
They’re happy in Norway
They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame?
Not Islam…
Not their leadership…
Not themselves…
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN
And they want to change the countries they’re happy in,
to be like the countries they came from,
where they were unhappy.
Try to find logic in that !

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… Please Appreciate All Women in Your Life “HER” ….


The woman in your life…very well expressed…  

Tomorrow you may get a working woman, but you should marry her with these facts as well.

Here is a girl, who is as much educated as you are;

Who is earning almost as much as you do;

One, who has dreams and aspirations just as you have because she is as human as you are;

One, who has never entered the kitchen in her life just like you or your Sister haven’t,

as she was busy in studies and competing in a system that gives no special

concession to girls for their culinary achievements One,

 who has lived and loved her parents & brothers & sisters,

almost as much as you do for 20-25 years of her life;

 One, who has bravely agreed to leave behind all that,

her home, people who love her, to adopt your home,

your family, your ways and even your family,

name One,

who is somehow expected to be a master-chef from day #1,

 while you sleep oblivious to her predicament in her new circumstances,

environment and that kitchen One,

who is expected to make the tea, first thing in the morning and cook food at the end of the day,

 even if she is as tired as you are,

 maybe more, and yet never ever expected to complain;

to be a servant, a cook, a mother,

a wife,

even if she doesn’t want to;

and is learning just like you are as to what you want from her;

and is clumsy and sloppy at times and knows that you won’t like it if she is too demanding,

 or if she learns faster than you;

 One, who has her own set of friends,

 and that includes boys and even men at her workplace too,

 those, who she knows from school days and yet is willing to put all that

on the back-burners to avoid your irrational jealousy,

unnecessary competition and your inherent insecurities;

Yes,

 she can drink and dance just as well as you can,

 but won’t, simply Because you won’t like it,

even though you say otherwise One,

who can be late from work once in a while when deadlines, just like yours,

are to be met;

One, who is doing her level best and wants to make this most important,

relationship in her entire life a grand success,

 if you just help her some and trust her;

One, who just wants one thing from you,

as you are the only one she knows in your entire house – your unstinted support,

your sensitivities and most importantly –

– your understanding, or love,

 if you may call it.

But not many guys understand this…

… Please appreciate All Women in Your Life “HER” ….

Circumcised Men Vs Natural UnCircumcised Men


penis with foreskin

Image via Wikipedia

Sex with an Uncircumcised Man     …By : empowher.com   …

“Who are you to correct nature? Is it real that Stupid GOD of Cult requires a donation of foreskin?” 

I’ll be honest; I had to do a lot of research before sitting down to write this article. I have only come into contact with one uncircumcised penis during my short stint as a single adult woman, and it didn’t really seem to be that big of a deal at the time.

However, when it comes to uncircumcised penises, there’s more than meets the eye . Approximately 50% of men are “uncut,” which is really how the penis is meant to be in the first place (not many men outside the United States are circumcised). Circumcision originated among ancient religious populations as a way to purify man by removing the source of his sexual pleasure. This tradition has held its ground into the 21st century, which can lead to quite a bit of confusion when a woman unexpectedly comes into contact with a penis au naturale.
Make Him Chase You – Challenge Him!
Make Him Fall Head Over Heels – Men Just Can’t Resist This

It may surprise you to learn that the foreskin itself, before it is separated from its owner, is extremely sensitive to pleasure. During circumcision two very important things are removed that will never grow back: the frenulum, the band near the tip of the penis that connects the foreskin with the glans, and then of course, the foreskin and all the nerve endings that go along with it.
Get Him to Do What You Want – Make Him Give More Than Just His Heart
Make Him Commit – Work Your Magic
Make Him Fall in Love – Feeling Good, Falling Hard

Not only are these sources of pleasure eliminated during circumcision, but the shaft of the penis is left unprotected and slowly loses its responsiveness through a process called keratinization. In an article published in Fathering Magazine, Rio Cruz explains that “the male glans and inner foreskin, just like the clitoris and inner labia of women, are actually internal structures covered by mucous membrane that, when exposed to the air and harsh environment through circumcision, develop a tough, dry covering to protect the delicate, sensitive tissue.”

The main difference in having sex with an uncircumcised penis is that the foreskin acts as a glider of sorts, and it stays in place while the glans and shaft continue to thrust. This leads to less friction in the vagina and thus a more pleasurable experience for the female.

For circumcised men who are experiencing gradual loss of sensation throughout the course of their lifetime, there actually is a process of foreskin restoration that involves the use of tape and weights (?).

So when all is said and done, you (and your partner) are actually likely to have much better sex with a penis that is uncircumcised. If you’re performing oral sex and looking for tips, just focus your efforts on the ridge just below the glans and use your hand to help the foreskin go with the flow. That’s all there is to it!

How many wives is a Hindu man permitted?


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Some Times By : SAM Hindu 

How many wives  is a Hindu man permitted?

Answer:

Well, the fact actually is, that according to the Hindu scriptures, a hindu  can have more than one wife.
It was only in 1954 that the Indian  Constitution passed a law, as the Hindu Marraige Act that a hindu can marry only  one. Otherwise before that polygamy was allowed,
so that means the Indian  Constitution has made it illegal, whereas the hindu scriptures permit it.
  In a survey, there were more hindus with many wives as compared to muslims.  Hindus should fight for their right according to hindu scriptures. And  practically, there are more females than males, so where would the rest of the  females marry. Thousands of females die every year due female foeticide and  infanticide, which further decreases the female population.

The  female population in India, barring Kerala, is less (I should say seriously  less) than the male population. Under the circumstances, polygamy does not make  any sense in India. And the so called law prohibits it, which is total fabrication to keep Hindu’s under control., and I reject the Law.

All our Hindu God has more then one wife. Lord Krishna had 8 wifes. And father of Lord Rama had Three.
 Let us first try to increase the  female population and save the girl child. However, first paragraph is  correct.
Marriage to more than one spouse at a time. Although the term may also  refer to polyandry (marriage to more than one man), it is often used as a  synonym for polygyny (marriage to more than one woman), which appears to have  once been common in most of the world and is still found widely in some  cultures.
Polygyny seems to offer the husband increased prestige, economic  stability, and sexual companionship in cultures where pregnancy and lactation  dictate abstinence, while offering the wives a shared labour burden and an  institutionalized role where a surplus of unmarried women might otherwise exist. 
The polygynous family is often fraught with bickering and sexual jealousy; to  preserve harmony, one wife may be accorded seniority, and each wife and her  children may have separate living quarters.

Polyandry is relatively rare; in  parts of the Himalayas, where brothers may marry a single woman, the practice  serves to limit the number of descendants and keep limited land within the  household.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/plural-marriage#ixzz1MtwEDBZA

Why I left Islam ; Detroit cop


My Testimony: Why I left Islam

After Reading the Book “WHY WE LEFT ISLAM,” I highly recommended reading to all my e-mail contacts and friends. I love when the truth about Islam is revealed. People in America are blinded by political correctness and lies from our news media, politicians, and liberals. I am attaching my testimony for you to read how I found the truth, JESUS CHRIST!

I am now a Police Chaplain/Missionary. Please check out our Mission Web Page: “missionmobilization.org.” To God be the Glory! God Bless!

In His Grip!

Emery Esse

John 14:6

I had been a Detroit cop for several years when the department started the “Special Response Team” (SRT), a highly trained anti-terrorist SWAT unit. This was my dream! To

me that was the “Marine Corps” of the DPD. (I was a US Marine before joining the DPD). The physical and mental requirements were tough, but I passed and was accepted

on the team. Over 1,000 cops had tried out but only 16 were chosen. We spent the next 14 months in training and were certified by the state of Michigan in policing terrorist

incidents.

On our first operation, we were called out to deal with a mentally disturbed man pouring gasoline around an apartment building. Patrol officers had originally responded to

the scene. The apartment door opened just a little and they observed the suspect walking in circles, carrying a rifle. A lieutenant, a friend of mine, was then called on the scene.

The gunman fired through the door, killing the lieutenant. SRT was then called out to the scene. I asked if we could pray be- fore going in. My partner, Frank, was angry because I

wanted to pray, but I still prayed asking for God’s protection. We cut off the electricity to the building and shot gas into the apartment before going in

with our gas masks. Frank entered first after breaking down the door with a bunker shield. I was right behind him. The concealed gunman shot Frank missing the metal

trauma plate by inches. Frank’s last words were, “I’m hit” and fell at my feet. I was looking for the gunman’s position and he fired at me. The flash of the rifle revealed him as I saw him getting up to fire again. I pointed my pistol toward him, fired eleven rounds hitting him seven times and killed him. I then ran back to Frank, but Frank was dead. Little did Frank know that day that he would face God. That was a sad time in my life. However my story by no means ends there. Please read on…

I was born and raised a Shiite Muslim. After high school, I joined the Marine Corps. I served 2 1/2 months in Vietnam and after 3 years was promoted to sergeant. In 1970, I married my high school sweetheart. We had a written agreement that our children would be raised Muslim, though my wife was of a totally different religion. One day my sister-in-law and her husband invited my wife and I to a Bible believing church. I went thinking no one in my Muslim family would find out. We heard the gospel preached, and my wife responded by receiving Jesus as her Lord and Savior. Right away I noticed a change in her. When we left the church I asked my wife if she was still going to practice her religion. She replied, “No, I’m not”. I asked her how that could be. She said in her religion she knew of Jesus in her head, but now Jesus was in her heart! I warned her never to show the Bible to our son. The next two years that church continually prayed for me.

Meanwhile, I made life miserable for my wife. I did not let her use the car to go to a church she found a mile away from our home, so she walked regardless of the weather. However, I took our son to the mosque. I was fighting against Jesus! Christian men from her church would

come and talk to me about Jesus, but I tried to ignore them. Then, on August 26, 1975, I had a dream: I was in combat running with another Marine. We jumped into a foxhole and landed in hell at the feet of Satan! It was so real to me. Satan was laughing and pulled out a big knife and started stabbing the guy who was with me. I kept trying to stop him, but he would just laugh. I woke up at 4:30 am, got out of bed, and got down on my knees. I asked Jesus to forgive my sins and come into my heart and save me. As soon as I did that I felt a great burden lifted from my shoulders, and I was filled with joy in my heart. I received Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

That was the greatest moment of my life. I thank the Lord for dying for a sinner like me. If you read this and don’t know Jesus as your Lord and Savior, please ask Him to come into your heart and save you. “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8); “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.” (Rom 6:23); “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast” (Eph 2: 8-9); “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that you have eternal life.” (I John 5:13). My favorite Bible verse is John 14:6. Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Jesus did not say there is any religion, man, or woman through which there is salvation….just through HIM.

Female Genital Mutilation ; Warning: Very Graphic (FGM)


Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)

The purpose of FGM is to curb the sexual
desire of girls and women and preserve their “sexual honor” before marriage. The
massive mutilation is irreversible and extremely painful, and is usually done
to young girls.

Practiced in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Oman,
Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Djibouti, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, amongst
others, FGM is carried out with
knives, scissors, scalpels, pieces of glass or razor blades. The mutilation is
usually done without anesthetics. Instruments are usually not sterile. Mortality
is high.

The practice has dreadful
costs: many girls die afterwards, the survivors suffer their whole life from the
psychological and medical consequences of the operation. All are traumatized and
suffer from adverse health effects during marriage and pregnancy.


Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)


Normal female genital anatomy
(from American Academy of Pediatrics,
PEDIATRICS Vol. 102 No. 1 Jul 1998, pp. 153-156)


Type I female genital
mutilation,
from American
Academy of Pediatrics, PEDIATRICS Vol. 102 No. 1 Jul 1998, pp.
153-156:

“Type I
FGM, often termed clitorectomy, involves excision of the skin surrounding the
clitoris with or without excision of part or all of the clitoris (Fig 2). When
this procedure is performed in infants and young girls, a portion of or all of
the clitoris and surrounding tissues may be removed. If only the clitoral
prepuce is removed, the physical manifestation of Type I FGM may be subtle,
necessitating a careful examination of the clitoris and adjacent structures for
recognition.”


Type II female
genital mutilation,
from American
Academy of Pediatrics, PEDIATRICS Vol. 102 No. 1 Jul 1998, pp.
153-156:

“Type II
FGM, referred to as excision, is the removal of the entire clitoris and part or
all of the labia minora. Crude stitches of catgut or thorns may be used to
control bleeding from the clitoral artery and raw tissue surfaces, or mud
poultices may be applied directly to the perineum. Patients with Type II FGM do
not have the typical contour of the anterior perineal structures resulting from
the absence of the labia minora and clitoris. The vaginal opening is not covered
in the Type II procedure.”

Type III female genital mutilation,
American Academy of Pediatrics, PEDIATRICS
Vol. 102 No. 1 Jul 1998, pp. 153-156:

“Type III FGM, known as infibulation,
is the most severe form in which the entire clitoris and some or all of the
labia minora are excised, and incisions are made in the labia majora to create
raw surfaces. The labial raw surfaces are stitched together to cover the urethra
and vaginal introitus, leaving a small posterior opening for urinary and
menstrual flow. In Type III FGM, the patient will have a firm band of tissue
replacing the labia and obliteration of the urethra and vaginal
openings.”

NO GRAPHICS
AVAILABLE
Type
IV female genital mutilation,
American Academy of Pediatrics, PEDIATRICS
Vol. 102 No. 1 Jul 1998, pp. 153-156:

“Type IV includes different
practices of variable severity including pricking, piercing or incision of the
clitoris and/or labia; stretching of the clitoris and/or labia; cauterization of
the clitoris; and scraping or introduction of corrosive substances into the
vagina.

The physical
complications associated with FGM may be acute or chronic. Early,
life-threatening risks include hemorrhage, shock secondary to blood loss or
pain, local infection and failure to heal, septicemia, tetanus, trauma to
adjacent structures, and urinary retention.13,14 Infibulation (Type III) is
often associated with long-term gynecologic or urinary tract difficulties.
Common gynecologic problems involve the development of painful subcutaneous
dermoid cysts and keloid formation along excised tissue edges. More serious
complications include pelvic infection, dysmenorrhea, hematocolpos, painful
intercourse, infertility, recurrent urinary tract infection, and urinary
calculus formation. Pelvic examination is difficult or impossible for women who
have been infibulated, and vaginal childbirth requires an episiotomy to avoid
serious vulvar lacerations.

Less
well-understood are the psychological, sexual, and social consequences of FGM,
because little research has been conducted in countries where the practice is
endemic. However, personal accounts by women who have had a ritual genital
procedure recount anxiety before the event, terror at being seized and forcibly
held during the event, great difficulty during childbirth, and lack of sexual
pleasure during intercourse.”

Stop
female genital mutilation: appeal to the international dermatologic community
(International Journal of Dermatology 2002, 41, 253-263

Related
information:
Subjugation of Women and Child Abuse
Genocide, Slavery, Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)
Egypt (member of Arab League)
Syria (member of Arab League)
Jordan
(member of Arab League)
Oman (member of Arab League)
Sudan (member of Arab League)
Somalia (member of Arab League)
Yemen (member of Arab League)
Mauritania (member of Arab League)
Djibouti (member of Arab League)
Iraq (member of Arab League)
Saudi
Arabia
(member of Arab League)
Islamic Republic of Iran


Typical tools for carrying out
female genital mutilation (DW-World, May 4, 2004)
| Others

Sterile mutilation,
performed in a hospital | Not sterile and no anesthetics


Female genital mutilation “is part of the Sunna of the
Mad Mohamad”-Warning: Very Graphic

Female genital mutilation “is part of the Sunna of the Prophet”

by sheikyermami on May 31, 2007

Two FGM Updates from MEMRITV. “Egyptian Villagers Explain Why They Circumcise Their
Daughters”:

Following are excerpts from a television program about female circumcision in
Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
[…]
Interviewer: In the Islamic religion, and in the villages and neighborhoods,
it is always said that girls should be circumcised just like boys. Does it come
from the Sunna, or is it a custom or yours?
Female villager: Circumcision is part of the Sunna of the Prophet. We
used to bring a daya, and she would circumcise the children, but when the role
of the daya was abolished, we stopped. Now we take our children to the doctor,
and he circumcises them.

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Interviewer:
So it is the doctor who circumcises the girl?
Female villager: Yes. If a girl is not circumcised, she can’t stand it. When
she is circumcised, she is calm and has self-restraint. The circumcision
protects the girl and makes her calm.
[…]
Interviewer: So you think all women should be circumcised to protect their
honor.
Female villager: The Prophet said that the men go and wage Jihad for
a year. He said that girls should be circumcised so they can bear it for a whole
year until the men return. […]

And “Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat Sa’id Al-Munji
Justifies Female Circumcision: It Replaces the Chastity Belts of Ancient
Times”:

Following are excerpts from an interview with Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat
Said Al-Munji, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:

Farahat
Sa’id Al-Munji: The Prophet said that circumcision is obligatory for
men, and is noble for women. This means that for the sake of her honor, a woman
can be circumcised. This noble act can be either carried out or not.

Moreover, this noble act is subject to restrictions nowadays. I once had a
discussion with a gynecologist, who said: “A man brought his daughter to me, and
I told him she must be circumcised immediately.” Why? Because he discovered that
her clitoris was so big that it was bound to cause her pain or bother her when
she reached puberty, and therefore, she had to be circumcised. He told me that
other girls came to him, and he said they should not be circumcised. Why?
Because their clitoris was normal in size, and did not bother them. It would be
crazy to deal with such a clitoris, which does not protrude to an extent that
might bother the woman, when it rubs against her clothing and so on…
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A victim of genital
mutilation in Somalia: How is she able to endure such pain? [SPIEGEL PHOTO
GALLERY]

Guys, all these things appear in Islamic law. Don’t think we are
making these things up. It all exists [in religious law] and is
determined… We say that if the clitoris is so on and so forth… What am

I saying? When the Prophet Muhammad met Umm Salama in Al-Madina – what
did he say to her? “Are you still doing what you used to do in Mecca?” In other
words, are you still circumcising girls, like you used to do in Mecca? She said:
Yes. He said: “Trim it, but don’t cut it off.” According to another version, he
said: “Shorten it, but don’t cut it off.” “Trim it” means leaving room for
sexual desire. That little bit on top, which looks like the rooster’s crest, is
shortened, but just the upper part. She needs to cut off the prepuce, the little
bit at the top.

“All Religions” means
“Muslims Only”

From Islam Online:

My profession is a gynecologist and during my work I examine women of
nearly all religions and nationalities. For few years I worked in Makkah as well
as in Kuwait where you could sample women of all religions and I found that only
Egyptians, Sudanese, and Ethiopians have this habit of circumcision.

* Makkah is ‘Muslims Only’- how this nutbag can claim that she
could ’sample women of all religions’ is a mystery.

*****
Update: Warning Graphic Images!
17 January 2009

Clit-Cutting Tradition in
Indonesia:

Warning: Graphic Images!
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Female circumcisers and their attendants waiting in an elementary-school
classroom, where they do their work

* More Pic’s here
*
By SARA CORBETT/NYT

A Cutting Tradition

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* Looks like the NYT has
removed the article. Here’s another link…

When a girl is taken — usually by her mother — to a free circumcision
event held each spring in Bandung, Indonesia, she is handed over to a small
group of women who, swiftly and yet with apparent affection, cut off a small
piece of her genitals. Sponsored by the Assalaam Foundation, an Islamic
educational and social-services organization, circumcisions take place in a
prayer center or an emptied-out elementary-school classroom where desks are
pushed together and covered with sheets and a pillow to serve as makeshift
beds. The procedure takes several minutes. There is little blood involved.
Afterward, the girl’s genital area is swabbed with the antiseptic Betadine. She
is then helped back into her underwear and returned to a waiting area, where
she’s given a small, celebratory gift — some fruit or a donated piece of
clothing — and offered a cup of milk for refreshment. She has now joined a quiet
majority in Indonesia, where, according to a 2003 study by the Population
Council, an international research group, 96 percent of families surveyed
reported that their daughters had undergone some form of circumcision by the
time they reached 14.

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Tears are wiped from the face of a 9-month-old following her
circumcision.

*
These photos were taken in April 2006, at the foundation’s annual
mass circumcision, which is free and open to the public held
during the lunar month marking the birth of the prophet Muhammad.
The Assalaam Foundation runs several schools and a mosque
in Bandung, Indonesia’s third-largest city and the capital of West Java.
The photographer Stephanie Sinclair was taken to the circumcision event

by a reproductive-health observer from Jakarta and allowed to spend several
hours there. Over the course of that Sunday morning, more than 200 girls
were circumcised, many of them appearing to be under the age of 5. Meanwhile, in
a nearby building, more than 100 boys underwent a traditional circumcision as
well.

According to Lukman Hakim, the foundation’s chairman of social
services, there are three “benefits” to circumcising girls.

“One, it will stabilize her libido,” he said through an interpreter.
“Two, it will make a woman look more beautiful in the eyes of her husband. And
three, it will balance her psychology.”

Female genital cutting — commonly identified among international
human rights groups as female genital mutilation — has been outlawed in 15
African countries. Many industrialized countries also have similar laws. Both
France and the U.S. have prosecuted immigrant residents for performing female
circumcisions.

In Indonesia, home to the world’s largest Muslim population, a debate
over whether to ban female circumcision is in its early stages.

The Ministry of Health has issued a decree forbidding medical personnel
to practice it, but the decree which has yet to be backed by legislation does
not affect traditional circumcisers and birth attendants, who are thought to do
most female circumcisions. Many agree that a full ban is unlikely without strong
support from the country’s religious leaders. According to the Population
Council study, many Indonesians view circumcision for boys and girls as a
religious duty.

* But of course: none of this has anything to do with Islam,
right?

* Read it
all

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Update:

Warning: What follows now is very graphic:

Clitoridectomy; Wikipedia; The Age and Islam PDF Print E-mail

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Written by Circe
Friday, 18 July 2008
Warning: Very graphic and disturbing content!
Surprise, surprise the Age (9/7/08) does its usual article concentrating on
‘female circumcision’, particularly the most horrific variety with the ‘gosh
isn’t it shocking but it’s nothing to do with Islam’…. The reality that Islamic
text/laws make clitoridectomy mandatory or
regard it as sunnah
(supported by Mohammad) or at least a worthy practise is

completely ignored. Also ignored are the many hadiths (which dictate day-to-day
life) that support the practise.
No-one claimed Islam invented clitoridectomy – the Arabs
practiced it at the time of Mohammad ..but to deny that it was taken up by
Islam, is promoted by Islamic religious leaders, is mostly practised by Muslims
and has spread around the world with Islam just shows the power of Islam in
stopping people (including UN groups) from telling the obvious truth – in the
case of Islam, there IS a religious base to the practice!!! Note: May 2008 the
Egyptian parliament seemed to have dropped laws making female genital mutilation
illlegal in Egypt (other laws re increasing marriageable age and reporting
families who beat their children were also over-ruled) (reference), though more
recent reports claim clitoridectomy has been criminalised with trivial maximum
sentences of up to 2 years jail and $1000 fine –AND it’s allowed in cases of
‘medical necessity!!! Conservatives maintain that Islam condones the removal of
a girl’s clitoris to tame her sexual desires and condemn the amendment as a
western import. (reference)
In a recent study in Yemen, of the 39 clerics who participated, 72 percent
wanted the practice to continue for reasons of religious mandate, virginity and
tradition. (Report on Female Genital
Mutilation (FGM) or Female Genital Cutting (FGC)
>The sad truth is: FGM is performedall around the world wherever Muslim
communities are present
Clitoridectomy alone ensures a woman will never have an orgasm (this has
been medically proved) ie her right to full sexual pleasure is denied!! It is
the same as removing the penis. If the Islamic laws and text that support the
practice are constantly hidden, they cannot be eradicated and whenever those who
know Islam’s text and laws are in positions of power, they will be enforced
again! Pretending it isn’t Islamic seems good but is a dangerous distortion of
the truth. It is only pressure from the west and colonialism that has altered
‘Islamic’ behaviour but such western influence (leading to depravity) is
resisted and can be overturned.* Update:

Denmark: Mother sentenced in
FGM case

Some hope appeared when Wikipedia, which still tries to
excuse Islam, actually had the courage to state accurately that there was a
Shafi law (an important school of Islamic law) that mandated CLITORIDECTOMY.
And it also daringly referred to two hadith – there are many others but hey,
it’s a start!! Can we hope for more??
Islamic Law

“One of the four Sunni schools of religious law, the Shafi’i school, rules
that clitoridectomy is mandatory” (Wikipedia)

Yes! The Arabic version of the law states:

“Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the
piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the
female is by cutting out the clitoris (bazr in Arabic)- (this is called HufaaD).
“ (Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law in
Arabic with facing English text, commentary and appendices edited and translated
by Nuh Ha Mim Keller (1994) p59. Note the English version falsely translates
bazr as ‘prepuce ‘ of the clitoris!!)

Sadly – Wikipedia fails to report the comment by Sheikh ‘Abd
al-Wakil Durubi in the English ‘version’ who notes:

“Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while
Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.”(Reliance of the Traveller p
59;)

Note: ‘sunna’ means the actions and words of Mohammad, the perfect example
for all Muslims to follow!Sheikh ‘Abd al-Wakil Durubi’s comments show that
support for clitoridectomy is widespread across Islam, not limited to the
followers of Shafi Law!Sadly – Wikipedia also allows Sheikh ‘Abd al-Wakil Durubi to try the ‘it
really only means trimming the clitoral hood’ line. Of course, that’s why it
says ‘removal of the clitoris’ and naturally those illiterate Arab/Muslim
tribes-people past and present would have been right up with the fine detail of
female anatomy.
Often the clitoris is cut from babies when the clitoris is enlarged due to
pregnancy hormones and the ‘hood’ not visible (even the labia minora are just
threads and are often cut too) or the clitoris is destroyed by applying hot sand
and chemicals to it or it is grabbed and stretched out and sometimes a band
applied and rolled back along the clitoral shaft to fully expose it for cutting
—- hood, yeah, right!! They’ve all just been ‘mistaken’ for 1400 years!!
(until some westerner put them right??).
Wikipedia also notes:

In 1994, Egyptian Mufti Sheikh Jad Al-Hâqq ‘Ali Jad Al-Hâqq issued a fatwa
stating, “Circumcision is mandatory for men and for women. If the people of any
village decide to abandon it, the village imam must fight against them as if
they had abandoned the call to prayer.” [60] The Al-Azhar University in Cairo
has issued several fatwas endorsing FGC, in 1949, 1951 and
1981.

There has been ongoing endorsement of ‘circumcision’ but note the swift
switching of terms – it’s not female genital mutilation, it’s just harmless
female genital cutting FGC!!
Once again I will post this recent support for clitoridectomy (as in
Egypt):
On 12/2/2007 Al-Arabiya TV aired ‘Al-Azhar University Scholars Argue over
the Legitimacy of Female Circumcision Practiced in Egypt.
The debate was between Egyptian Al-Azhar University scholars Sheikh
Muhammad Al-Mussayar and Sheikh Mahmoud Ashur. The exerts are interesting
because they acknowledge the hadiths related to FGM -Muhammad Al-Mussayar
notes:
“All the jurisprudents, since the advent of Islam and for 14 centuries or
more, are in consensus that female circumcision is permitted by Islam. But they
were divided with regard to its status in shari’a. Some said that female
circumcision is required by shari’a, just like male circumcision. Some said this
is the mainstream practice, while others said it is a noble act. But throughout
the history of Islam, nobody has ever said that performing female circumcision
is a crime. There has been a religious ruling on this for 14 centuries.”
And this is why it is impossible to reform Islam … even if there attempts
from within they fail.
“First of all, there are reliable hadiths in Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim which
support female circumcision. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘If a circumcised woman
and man have intercourse, they must undergo ablution.’ Unreliable hadiths do not
cancel out the reliable ones. We have unreliable hadiths regarding prayer,
fasting, charity, and pilgrimage. Should we abolish prayer and charity just
because some hadiths are unreliable?..”Female circumcision is no less valid just
because it was practiced in Pharaonic times and in the Jahiliya. Islam accepted
some customs, which were harmonious with human nature, and rejected others,
which contradicted human nature.” (reported byMEMRI.org 27/2/2007
and FGMnetwork
)
Hadith: these apply to all (sunni) Muslims:
1) Wikipedia has the courage to note the hadith supporting the view that
clitoridectomy is sunnah – Umm Atiyyah was a known clitoris cutter.

Abu-Dawud Book 41, No. 5251: Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A
woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The prophet (peace be upon him)
said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more
desirable for a husband.

(Note: The powerful Mohammad did NOT stop the procedure yet he stopped
adoption so he could marry his adopted son’s wife Zainab, regarded as incest by
the Arabs because adopted sons were held as sons!)
Sadly – Wikipedia then allowed the usual excuse – it’s ‘weak in
transmission.’ (Isn’t this an opinion?) Funny then that it’s survived 1400
years, including revisions and influenced Islamic law!! Both the ‘science’ of
the hadith and this excuse are too absurd to waste time on!2) Wikipedia also
notes a hadith from the highly authentic, reliable Muslim collection:

Muslim book 3 No. 684: Abu Musa reported: There cropped up a difference of
opinion between a group of Muhajirs ….He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said: I got up
(and went) to ‘A’isha and sought her permission and it was granted…… I said:
What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied: You have come across one
well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When anyone
sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other
a bath becomes obligatory.

Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi: Whoever finds it serving the interest of his
daughters should do it, and I personally support this under the current
circumstances in the modern world.

Sadly it implies this is the only one – WRONG and it allows Dr. Muhammad
Salim al-Awwa, Secretary General of the World Union of the Muslim Ulemas, who
agrees that the hadith is authentic, to state the most absurd, convoluted,
twisted lack of reason to claim that silly Aisha, when she said TWO circumcised
organs (in the feminine form) she really meant one – the male one of course…
(see logical alternative explanation below)
Both Wikipedia and Dr al-Awwa might like to try these which show that the
circumcised parts were often referred to separately ie ‘when the circumcised
part touches the circumcised part’ and that both Aisha and Malik tracing
several different transmitters, refer to two separate circumcised parts and
that the instruction re circumcised parts and ghusl is reported in several sets
of hadith making it important! Remember, female circumcision meant cut out the
clitoris in Mohammad’s time!
a) Maliks Muwatta Section: Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised
Parts Meet

Maliks Muwatta Book 2 , Number 2.19.73: Yahya related to me from Malik from
Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman ibn
Affan and A’isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him
peace, used to say, “When the circumcised part touches the circumcised part,
ghusl is obligatory.”

Maliks Muwatta Book 2 , Number 2.19.74: Yahya related to me from Malik from
Abu’n Nadr, the mawla of Umar ibn Abdullah that Abu Salamaibn Abdar-Rahman ibn
Awf related that he had asked A’isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless
him and grant him peace, what made ghusl obligatory. She said, “Do you know what
you are like, Abu Salama? You are like a chick when it hears the cocks crowing
and so crows with them. When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part,
ghusl is obligatory.”

Maliks Muwatta Book 2 , Number 2.19.75: Yahya related to me from Malik from
Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to A’isha,
the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to
her, “The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring
before you has distressed me.” She said, “What is that? You did not ask your
mother about it, so ask me.” He said, “A man penetrates his wife, but becomes
listless and does not ejaculate. “She said, “When the circumcised part passes
the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory.” Abu Musa added, “I shall never ask
anyone about this after you.”

Maliks Muwatta Book 2 , Number 2.19.77: Yahya related to me from Malik from
Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to say, “When the circumcised part passes the
circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory.”

b) Hajj

Maliks Muwatta Book 20 No. 20.46.161 – very long, all about penalties for
contact between a male and female during hajj –……………Malik said, “What spoils a
hajj or an umra and makes sacrificing an animal and repeating the hajj necessary
is the meeting of the two circumcised parts, even if there is no
emission.

Above hadiths from this SITE suggest that ‘circumcision’ of
females was normal for Muslims:
c) Tirmidi hadith:

Tirmidi hadith 166 Narrated Aisha; Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him)
said: When the circumcised parts bypass one another (i.e. have intercourse),
taking of a bath is necessary. Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) and I did
that and then we took a bath. (from ALIM CD rom)

Logical alternative explanation: Clitoridectomy was widely practised by
Arabs at the time of Mohammad; Aisha was an Arab; Mohammad had endorsed the
practice of clitoridectomy when speaking to Um Attiyyah (clitoris cutter) and
Aisha simply spread Mohammad’s instructions; hence it would be reasonable for
Aisha (probably circumcised herself) to address people re ‘washing after dirty
sex,’ to refer to the TWO circumcised organs coming into contact as this would
be the normal case. Malik likewise notes the same statements coming from Umar
ibn al-Khattab and Uthman ibn Affan and A’isha.d) As for female circumcision
(clitoridectomy in Mohammad’s day) being a sign of respect for women, and a
hadith where the women of al-Ansar were addressed endorsing female
circumcision, they are referred to in Dr al-Awwa’s paper ‘Female Circumcision
Neither a sunna, nor a Sign of Respect’ – ( I own a copy but it’s nolonger
available!).
Also Hadith in the Musnad by Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, where Shaddad Ibn Aws
reports that the prophet said:

“Cicumcision is a sunnah for Men, MAKRUMAH for women” (MAKRUMAH can be
translated as “noble deed” or “honorable”) cited HERE

These show that such hadith exist—call them ‘weak’ if you like!Shia
View
Foster states that female circumcision is rumoured to be common amongst
Shi’ite communities ruled by Hezbollah in Lebanon (Wikipedia)Judaism; Christianity:
Wikipedia may note correctly that neither Judaism
nor Christianity have text supporting clitoridectomy etc and notes that the only
members of these two groups that carry it out are those from Africa ie from
areas under considerable Arab/Islamic influence for 1400 years. Christian
converts from Islam sometimes continue the practice. Old WHO reports showed
much higher practice rates amongst Muslims in FGM areas than Christians but it’s
now politically incorrect to note this.
Sadly- Wikipedia refers to an extremist nut case who calls himself a
Christian in regard to FGC but fails to report the array of Islamic clerics that
endorse the practice, in full accordance with Islamic text/laws in the Islamic
world and the west. The false Christian-Muslim’ equivalence continues while
hiding the full extent of Islamic involvement.
Indeed further instances of
such practices are found in the Islamic world all the time and becoming more
prominent in Muslim countries where the progress of Islam was slowed by
colonialism eg Indonesia ( see ‘In the cut’ Sydney Mornig Herald January 13,
2004 and NYT.
‘A cutting tradition’ where practices vary from pricking the clitoris,
cutting/removing it or removing it plus labia with more destructive procedures
increasing).
Note how the spread of FGM/clitoridectomy matches the spread of Islam –
Africa (NOT in the south where Arab/Islam didn’t penetrate initially);
Middle-East; Turkey; India; Malaysia; Indonesia…
Female Genital Mutilation in Indonesia – Let’s blame it on the Black
Africans!
Will we blame the Africans for all of it? – surely, given the thousands of
years since the Pharaohs, it would have spread throughout Africa if we are to
only blame the Pharaohs who were generally not black, and the black
Africans!
Irfan Yusuf blames an old Indonesian practice! ( Does Yusuf mean liar in
Arabic?)
It’s practised in Australia- – will we call it an old Australian

practice? Dito Europe, America?
______________________________
Australia’s Mufti supports clitoridectomy – do you think he’s ignorant of
Islamic text and laws?
Pamela Bone (who also thought clitoridectomy wasn’t
part of Islamic law!) referred to an interview with Sheik Fehmi al-Imam of the
Preston Mosque where she asked him about clitoridectomy and he replied:

“You probably don’t need it but women in hot countries do”!!! (Melbourne
Age 21/7/01 p7)

What’s the bet that the first person prosecuted for genital
mutilation/clitoridectomy is an African Christian or Animist – in an effort to
show it’s not Islamic!Including other forms of genital cutting helps to fudge
the relationship between Islam and clitoridectomy. Remember, when overtaken,
some cultures take-on the culture of their overlords particularly if there are
already some similarities (eg some African tribes) while others resist certain
practises (eg initially Christian Syria resisting clitoridectomy) so culture
does have an influence but in the case of Islam so does religion (religious
culture!!). So, the fact that a restricted few others perform
FGM/clitoridectomy/FGC (genitals have always been fascinating) and some Muslim
groups don’t, does NOT mean there is not a close link between FGM/clitoridectomy
and Islam.
Quiz:
  • Which religion has a law that makes clitoridectomy obligatory?
  • Which religion has a prophet who endorsed clitoridectomy?
  • Which religion has hadiths that support clitoridectomy/circumcision of
    females
  • The spread of which religion is most closely related to the spread of
    clitoridectomy/FGM?
  • Which religion carries out most clitoridectomies the world over?
  • Which religion has an Australian mufti that supports clitoridectomy?

If you answered Islam to all, give yourself a tick!! But remember, it’s
nothing to do with Islam!!


Some articles on FGM/clitoridectomy on the site:

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The Arabic version of the law states:

“Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the
piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the
female is by cutting out the clitoris (bazr in Arabic)- (this is called HufaaD).
” (Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law in Arabic
with facing English text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh
Ha Mim Keller (1994) p59.

* Note the English version falsely translates bazr as ‘prepuce ‘ of
the clitoris!!)

Strict adherence to islamic values, of course! I was being rhetorical. If you
are still uncertain as to what good islamic values might actually be, those
values so superior to our Australian un-islamic values, the ever reliable dhimmi
SMH has printed a guide.http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/slaughtered-in-name-of-family/2008/12/05/1228257318380.html
I wonder if Keysar would care to comment? Which part of these much-vaunted
“values” should we attempt to emulate? Islamic “honor” or Islamic murder?
I also wonder if he has any comment on the 16 cases of backyard clitorectomy
reputed to have been performed in Queensland this past year?
http://fgmnetwork.org/news/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1206899204&archive=&template=
Things to emulate from “islamic values”.
An article I recently read, relating to FGM, asks “whether groups that are
illiberal and sexist should be afforded group rights and protections by liberal
states, or whether, instead, sexist cultural practices and perhaps entire
cultures should be altered or allowed to become ‘extinct’.”
The author, Susan
Moller Okin, was discussing multiculturalism under the question,“Is
Multiculturalism Bad for Women?” and her conclusion, in terms of the barbarity
that has been sanctioned in order to appease politically correct, cultural
tyranny, is… YES, M/C has been bad for many women, usually those who come from
“3rd World” countries.
Like the students at the Brisbane school in question.
I watched video of
the poor little mites, 2 nights ago, trotted out to do what the adults can’t do…
defend islam. “See, how brightly they shine!”
Headscarf and other signs of
inferior status proudly worn, it was quite obvious that the student body is made
up of immigrant children and just as obvious that many of their parents would
have been from those ‘3rd World countries’ we aren’t supposed to be critical of.
Except if you are a Feminist academic, apparently.
About 12% of the schools student body (or their parents) come from Egypt.
“Egypt is the second most populous African nation and the most populous Arab
nation. Egypt is a leader in Islamic jurisprudence, and its citizenry is 90%
Muslim. Female circumcision (female genital mutilation or FGM) has been
practiced in Egypt for thousands of years and perhaps as many as 97% of Egyptian
“ever-married” women have endured the practice. Although there is disagreement
among theologians, fundamentalists continue to promote FGM as an Islamic mandate
for the preservation of women’s chastity.” (Source unknown) In fairness, the
Egyptians have made FGM illegal, as of ‘97, but reports from reliable sources
indicate that the letter of the law and the practice of it is lagging somewhat
in Egypt. Many tens of thousands of Egyptian women still face these horrors,
just without access to modern medicine!
The chance that some of Keysar’s charges have been cut up to placate some
primitive, religiously-inspired barbarity?
In MY AUSTRALIA, I don’t want to
run the chance that even ONE has suffered this barbarity. I guess that is
un-islamic, but I can live with it.
Keysar says upholding Australian law and
culture is a pre-eminent focus of the school. Well, as FGM is illegal in
Queensland and every other State, I suggest his school has a legal
responsibility to inform Authorities of cases it knows of.
In the abridged Table below, please note that Indonesia, from where this
school also draws a large number of its students, is rated as 100% in
instituting 2 forms of FGM.
Note also the likelihood of the remaining school
populace to be comprised of students from the other nations listed.

FGM Around the World
COUNTRY – PREVALENCE (%) – TYPE PERFORMED
Benin – 16.8 – II
Burkina Faso – 76.6 – II – Performed throughout the country in all but a few
provinces.
Cameroon – 1 – I, II
Central African Republic – 35.9 – I, II
Chad – 44.9 – II – Widely practiced in all parts of Chad.
III – Confined
to areas bordering Sudan in the eastern part of the country.
Cote d’Ivoire (Ivory Coast) – 44.5 – II
Djibouti – 90-98 – II – Performed on girls of Yemeni origin. III – Most
common among the Issa and Afar.
DRC (Congo)- Unknown – II
Egypt – 97.3% – I, II, III
Eritrea – 88.7 – I, II, III
Ethiopia – 79.9 – I – Commonly practiced among Amharas, Tigrayans and the
Jeberti Muslims living in Tigray.
II – Most commonly practiced form. The
Gurages, some Tigrayans, Oromos and the Shankilas practice this form.
III –
Practiced in the eastern Muslim regions bordering Sudan and Somalia.
IV –
Referred to as “Mariam Girz” in Ethiopia, it is practiced mainly in Gojam in the
Amhara region.
Gambia – 60-90 – I – The Sarahulis perform this on girls one week after
birth. The Bambaras perform the procedure on girls between 10-15 years of
age.
II – Nearly all Mandinkas, Jolas and Hausas practice this form on girls
10-15 years old.
III – The Fulas perform a procedure similar to Type III that
is described as “vaginal sealing” on girls from one week old to 18 years
old.
IV – The Fulas perform this type on girls from one week old to 18 years
old.
Ghana – 5.4 – I, II, III
Guinea – 98.6 – I, II, III, IV
Indonesia – 100 – I, IV
Kenya – 32.2 – I and II most common.
III – found in the far eastern areas
bordering Somalia.
Liberia – 50 – II
Mali – 91.6 – I, II, III (Type III practiced in southern areas of
country)
Mauritania – 71.5 – I, II
Niger – 4.5 – II
Nigeria – 19 – I, II, III, IV
(Type I and II more prominent in the south;
Type III more prominent in north)
Senegal – 28.2 – II, III
(Type II is most common)
Sierra Leone – 80-90 – II
Somalia – 90-98 – I – practiced mainly in the coastal towns of Mogadishu,
Brava, Merca, and Kismayu.
III – Approximately 80% of the circumcisions are
this type.
Sudan – 90 – I, II, III
(Type III is most common)
Tanzania – 17.7 – II, III
Togo – 12 – II
Uganda – 5 – No information available.
Yemen – 22.6 – II, III
DEFINITIONS OF TYPES OF FGC/FC :
Type I – Circumcision is the excision
(removal) of the prepuce (clitoral hood) with or without removal of a part of
the clitoris (a.k.a. sunna circumcision).
Type II – Excision or clitoridectomy is the excision of the clitoris together
with part or all of the labia minora (the inner vaginal lips).
Type III – Infibulation is the excision of part or all of the external
genitalia (clitoris, labia minora and labia majora) and stitching or narrowing
of the vaginal opening, leaving a very small opening, about the size of a
matchstick, to allow for the flow of urine and menstrual blood. The girl or
woman’s legs are generally bound together from the hip to the ankle so she
remains immobile for approximately 40 days to allow for the formation of scar
tissue (referred to as Sudanese circumcision in Egypt; referred to as Pharaonic
circumcision in Somalia).
Type IV – Unclassified includes the p***king, piercing or incision of the

clitoris and/or labia; also includes symbolic rituals. The application or
insertion of corrosive substances into the vagina is also considered Type
IV.
Defibulation or deinfibulation – Cutting open the scar tissue that has formed
around the vaginal opening to allow penetration by her husband or for the birth
of a child.
Refibulation or reinfibulation or recircumcision – The sewing up of a
circumcised woman’s vaginal opening after childbirth or periodically during her
life when she feels as though her opening has gotten too big or loose.
Alternative rituals – An alternative to FGM in which the traditional ceremony
takes place without the actual cutting. In Kenya, girls go through a week-long
program designed as a coming-of-age workshop. This ritual is called “Ntanira Na
Mugambo” or “Circumcision Through Words.”
Introcision – A form of FGM/C that is practiced by the Pitta-Patta aborigines
of Australia where the vaginal orifice is enlarged by tearing it downward with
three fingers bound with an opossum string. The procedure is performed by an
elderly man when the girl reaches puberty. In other districts, the perineum is
split with a stone knife. Compulsory sexual intercourse with a number of young
men usually follows the introcision. Mexico, Brazil, and Peru reportedly
practice this form of FGM/C. In Peru, among a division of Pano Indians, an
elderly woman uses a bamboo knife to cut around the hymen from the vaginal
entrance and severs the hymen from the labia, at the same time exposing the
clitoris. Medicinal herbs are applied, followed by the insertion of a phallic
clay object into the vagina.

Islamic values or Australian? Frankly, the concept of “islamic values” is an
affront to every person who calls himself Australian.
There is no way to overstate this – the implications of allowing islam to
continue unchecked and cosseted by appeasing lawmakers, etc, MUST BE STOPPED, or
this country runs the risk of sliding into a dark pit of depravity such as it
has never known.
People of Australia – the time to fight for your country is
NOW.
Update:

Female genital mutilation in Iraqi Kurdistan: “we will never stop because
Islam and our elders require it”

The mainstream media and Islamic advocacy groups in the United States
constantly tell us that female genital mutilation is a cultural practice that
has nothing to do with Islam. They do this despite the fact that the among the
schools of Islamic jurisprudence, Shafi’is consider circumcision obligatory for
women; Hanbalis say it is an honorable custom, but not obligatory; Hanafis say
it should be done as a courtesy to the husband. None of the three, you’ll note,
say that the practice is wrong, immoral, un-Islamic.
Anyway, the upshot of this situation is that while most Westerners take for
granted, if they’ve ever heard of female genital mutilation at all, that it is
un-Islamic, it remains only Muslims who haven’t gotten this message.
“For Kurdish Girls, a Painful Ancient Ritual,” by Amit R. Paley for the Washington Post,
December 29 (thanks to Morgaan Sinclair):

TUZ KHURMATU, Iraq – Sheelan Anwar Omer, a shy 7-year-old Kurdish girl,
bounded into her neighbor’s house with an ear-to-ear smile, looking for the
party her mother had promised.There was no celebration. Instead, a local woman
quickly locked a rusty red door behind Sheelan, who looked bewildered when her
mother ordered the girl to remove her underpants. Sheelan began to whimper, then
tremble, while the women pushed apart her legs and a midwife raised a
stainless-steel razor blade in the air. “I do this in the name of Allah!” she
intoned.
As the midwife sliced off part of Sheelan’s genitals, the girl let out a
high-pitched wail heard throughout the neighborhood. As she carried the sobbing
child back home, Sheelan’s mother smiled with pride.
“This is the practice of the Kurdish people for as long as anyone can
remember,” said the mother, Aisha Hameed, 30, a housewife in this ethnically
mixed town about 100 miles north of Baghdad. ”We don’t know why we do it, but we
will never stop because Islam and our elders require it.”
Kurdistan is the only known part of Iraq –and one of the few places in the
world–where female circumcision is widespread. More than 60 percent of women in
Kurdish areas of northern Iraq have been circumcised, according to a study
conducted this year. In at least one Kurdish territory, 95 percent of women have
undergone the practice, which human rights groups call female genital
mutilation.
The practice, and the Kurdish parliament’s refusal to outlaw it, highlight
the plight of women in a region with a reputation for having a more progressive
society than the rest of Iraq. Advocates for women point to the increasing
frequency of honor killings against women and female self-immolations in
Kurdistan this year as further evidence that women in the area still face
significant obstacles, despite efforts to raise public awareness of circumcision
and violence against women. […]
Supporters of female circumcision said the practice, which has been a ritual
in their culture for countless generations, is rooted in sayings they attribute
to the prophet Muhammad, though the accuracy of those sayings is disputed by
other Muslim scholars….

Of course. But they don’t seem to be able to dispute the accuracy of those
sayings effectually enough to curb this practice where it is found among
Muslims.
Update:

Thousands of girls in Britain have suffered genital mutilation

Circumcision is “obligatory” for “both men and women” — so says a legal
manual of the Shafi’i school of Islamic jurisprudence, ‘Umdat al-Salik
(e4.3). This school is dominant in Egypt, where 97% of women have suffered
genital mutilation. The Hanbali school teaches, in contrast, that female genital
mutilation is not obligatory, while noting that it is accepted Islamic
practice; the Hanafi school calls it “a mere courtesy to the husband.”
In any case, the Islamic justifications given for the practice enable it to
continue. Yet in the West it is considered “Islamophobic” to mention these
Islamic justifications. However, the longer they are ignore, the more girls will
be mutilated in Britain and the West in general. Calling this an African custom,
as this article does, is a misdiagnosis, and like all misdiagnoses it will
contribute nothing toward a cure.
“Thousands of girls mutilated in Britain,” by Richard Kerbaj in the Times, March 16 or Jihad Watch

The NHS is to advertise free operations to reverse female circumcisions, with
experts warning that each year more than 500 British girls have their genitals
mutilated.Despite having been outlawed in 1985, female circumcision is still
practised in British African communities, in some cases on girls as young as 5.
Police have been unable to bring a single prosecution even though they suspect
that community elders are being flown from the Horn of Africa to carry out the
procedures.
The advertisement will appear from next month on a Somali satellite TV
station much viewed in Britain. It features Juliet Albert, a midwife who does
the reverse operations, and promises, in English and Somali, confidentiality for
victims of female genital mutilation.
The advertisement was expected to help to undermine demand for girls to be
circumcised, and to popularise the reversal procedure, Ms Albert said. Thousands
of such operations have been carried out at specialist clinics and hospitals
around Britain and demand is growing slowly.
Female circumcision, which is done for various reasons, such as religious and
cultural traditions, can cause severe health complications including infections
and psychological problems. The procedure, predominantly carried out on girls
aged between 5 and 12, can range from the removal of the clitoris to the removal
of all the exterior parts of the vagina, which is then sewn up.
A study by the Foundation for Women’s Health, Research and Development
(Forward), estimated that 66,000 women living in England and Wales had been
circumcised, most before leaving their country of origin. The government-funded
research also found that more than 7,000 girls were at a high risk of being
subjected to genital mutilation in Britain.
Sarah McCulloch, of the Agency for Culture Change Management UK, said that
every year more than 500 British girls were having circumcisions. “A lot of them
are done in the UK, but some still travel overseas,” she said….

Update:

Mali: Women demand law against genital mutilation

Brava! But they will face an uphill battle, with opposition sure to come from
Islamic clerics. “Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men
it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the
prepuce (Ar. bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some
mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not
obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the
husband.)” – ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3.
“Women Finally Demand Law Against Genital Mutilation,” from MISNA, August 7 (thanks
to JW):

Yesterday, some 700 activists, mostly women, have marched in favor of the
introduction of laws to ban the practice of female genital mutilation (FMG) in
Bamako. The demonstrators presented the request directly to parliament. The long
overdue initiative, organized by the Coordination of women’s NGO’s in Mali, was
repeated in other areas of the country, where more women also staged small
gatherings. “The rate of FMG in Mali is very high, reaching some
92%” said Nicola Giovannini of the “No Peace without Justice” NGO to

MISNA; the organization has been engaged in a vast campaign against female
mutilation alongside Malian NGO’s. Giovannini said that in Mali, there is a
strong political consensus for a law to ban the practice, but authorities have
so far suggested that Malian society itself is not yet ready to penalize this
terrible and very established practice. The participation in anti FMG protests
suggests that there is an ever stronger – if long overdue – desire for
change.

Al-Misri on Circumcision

Baron Bodissey
I reported briefly
yesterday on the sharia requirement for female circumcision, as mandated
by Reliance of the Traveller, which is the authoritative law manual
under the Shafiite school of Islamic law. In the comments section on the post,
Inalienable Rights requested that I scan the page in question and post it so
that everyone could have a look.
I’m more than happy to comply, but a first brief introduction is in order. We
(that is, people who resist the Great Jihad) are routinely accused of distorting
Islamic doctrine, quoting material out of context, relying on “extremist”
sources that do not represent “true Islam”, etc. I’ll present the material here
as if I were establishing an evidentiary chain in a court of law, citing factual
material from creditable sources so as to present a case that could stand up
before a judge and a jury.
But this process represents Western standards of logic and legality.
None of it will stop me from being accused of “defaming Islam”, because anything
I do — even quoting authoritative sources on Islamic law — is defined as
“defamation” under sharia if it does not serve to further Islam.
That’s why the kuffar may be legitimately shouted down for quoting the Koran,
while Muslims may do the same freely. This is not illogical, and there’s no
contradiction: it makes complete sense, once you understand the basic premises
of Islamic doctrine.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Reliance of the TravellerThe
source I cite here is ’Umdat al-salik wa ’uddat al-nasik, or The
reliance of the traveller and tools of the worshipper
. It is commonly

referred to as Reliance of the Traveller when cited in English.
According to the title page, my copy is the Revised Edition (published 1991,
revised 1994) and is “The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law ’Umdat al-Salik
by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 769/1368) in Arabic with Facing English Text,
Commentary, and Appendices”, edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller. The
publisher is listed as amana publications in Beltsville, Maryland.
Why do I consider this an authoritative source on Sunni Islamic law?
Because it is certified as such by Al-Azhar University in Cairo. There is no
higher authority on Sunni Islamic doctrine than Al-Azhar; it is the closest
equivalent to the Vatican that can be found in Islam.
On page xx of the “Documents” preface, we find this encomium (the Arabic
version, including official stamps and seals, is on the facing page xxi):
– –
– – – – –

[CERTIFICATION OF AL-AZHAR]
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, MOST MERCIFUL AND COMPASSIONATE
al-Azhar
Islamic Research Academy
General Department for Research,
Writing, and Translation
Mr. Nuh Ha Mim Keller
Amman, Jordan
Peace be upon you, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
To commence: In response to the request you have submitted concerning the
examination of the English translation of the book ’Umdat al-salik wa ’uddat
al-nasik
by Ahmad ibn Naqib in the Shafi’i school of jurisprudence,

together with appendices by Islamic scholars on matters of Islamic law, tenets
of faith, and personal ethics and character: we certify that the above-mentioned
translation corresponds to the Arabic original and conforms to the practice and
faith of the orthodox Sunni Community (Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama’a). There is no
objection to printing it and circulating it.
The stamping of the pages of the above-mentioned work with the seal of the
department has been completed.
May Allah give you success in serving Sacred Knowledge and the religion.
Peace be upon you, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Composed on 26 Rajah 1411 A.H./11 February 1991 A.D.
General Director of Research, Writing, and Translation
Fath Allah Ya Sin
Jazar [signed]
Muhammad ’Umar Muhammad ’Umar [signed]
Seal of al-Azhar [stamped] General Department for Research, Writing, and
Translation

This establishes the unassailable credentials of Nuh Ha Mim Keller’s
translation of ’Umdat al-Salik.
In Book E “Purification”, section e4.0 “The Body”, we find on page 59 the
following text:
Reliance, e4.3
This
is the original Arabic, for those of our readers who read the language and can
translate it for themselves. For everyone else, below is an image of the English
side-by-side with the Arabic. I include e4.4 just to give you an idea of the
type of material covered by Book E:
Reliance, e4.3 and e4.4
And
here is the same text after it has been processed through the OCR:

e4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men it
consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the
prepuce (Ar. bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some
mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not
obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the
husband.)

As I mentioned yesterday, this section demonstrates that all four schools of
Sunni law consider female circumcision a good thing, and two of them list it as
mandatory.
I also mentioned that the original Arabic is more stringent than the English
version, in that it specifies excising the entire clitoris rather than just the
prepuce. I find further backing for this assertion in the Australian Islamist
Monitor
, which reports:

Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law
in Arabic with facing English text, commentary and appendices edited and
translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller (1994) re ‘circumcision’ we find the Arabic
actually says –

“Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the
piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the
female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called HufaaD). “ (p59) (Shafi’I
jurisprudence)
(Note the English version is falsely translated as ‘prepuce ‘ of the
clitoris!!)

The Arabic word bazr does not mean “prepuce of the clitoris”, it means the
clitoris itself (cf. the entry in the Arabic-English Dictionary). The deceptive
translation by Nuh Hah Mim Keller, made for Western consumption, obscures the
Shafi’i law, given by ’Umdat al-Salik, that circumcision of girls by excision of
the clitoris is mandatory. This particular form of female circumcision is widely
practiced in Egypt, where the Shafi’i school of Sunni law is followed. Note a
comment by Sheikh ‘Abd al-Wakil Durubi in the English ‘version’ notes “Hanbalis
hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis
consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.” (answering-Islam.org)
This is supported by several hadiths eg
Abu-Dawud Book 41, No. 5251: Narrated Umm Atiyyah
al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The prophet
(peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a
woman and more desirable for a husband.
(Note: The powerful Mohammad did NOT stop the procedure yet he did stop the
Arab practise of adoption when he wished to marry his adopted son’s wife Zainab,
regarded as incest by the Arabs because adopted sons were held as
sons!)

Anyone who reads Arabic is invited to check the image posted above against
what AIM says here, and see if you agree with it.
With this, the sharia justification (and, under Shafi, requirement)
for radical female circumcision is now clearly and fully demonstrated, and
constitutes a “fact in evidence”.
Case closed.

Besotted multiculturalist
anthropologists defend female genital mutilation


http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/31/female-genital-mutilation-is-part-of-the-sunna-of-the-prophet/

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Hindu-Muslim Interreligious Marriages. Receipy Of Hell..


HinduMuslim Interreligious Marriages.

Posted by: JAAN in MyBlog on Nov 04, 2010
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What is presented here, in this post, is based on what I read on the net in the past, about, 15 months. Of course this will not make any difference to such people (Hindu girls or Non Muslim girls) in such circumstances already; after all who has time these days to inquire about anything objectively. Or more importantly I am not questioning any body’s freedom esp.women to take decisions regarding their life. This post is like a gentle warning about Islam. So, if some fiery Hindu feminist woman comes across this post, cool your self before you comment, if you feel like; but do not expect politeness from me if you transgress.

These days, we just keep making our life decisions based on one minute digital bytes we keep hearing from media. Or influenced by Bollywood which is not very different from Muslim mafia, but nevertheless glorified by media shamelessly; then media itself has lost its value. Many journos working in media can not even distinguish western-ism from modernism. It can not even distinguish good from evil.

Right now, the emphasis and views of this national media and also enlightened opinion is such that Hindus and all Non Muslims should give up (or sacrifice) their cultural identities for larger good of country and they also should not object to special privileges to Muslims and their culture even if later tend to be fascist in nature. The yardstick being employed to measure the tolerance of societies, every where, is about tolerating anachronistic Islamic beliefs and practices and its heinous political agenda and its fascist nature; because it is solely Muslims who are having difficulty with integrating with rest of humanity. But how can they integrate with others when they believe in that they are superior to others and they should subjugate every other, as suggested by their sacred word of Allah, Koran?

Islam is a closed system; this is mentioned here many times. Muslim men can marry Non Muslim women but Muslim women can not marry Non Muslim men. It will not be easy to adjust once their beloved says Allah and his unethical Prophet and their dogma are above everything, esp. a kafir woman. At this point, it might be too late to return.
Every rule and belief in Islam is about advancing their cause (expansion) at the expanse of others and their cultures. Islamic system is a parasite on human civilization (others) whether Muslims are in minority or majority.

But out of ignorance of Islam or influenced by corrupt media and its culture of propagating immorality and liberalism, meaning absence of morals, for Hindus it is about completely distancing from their culture and civilization, some Non Muslim women believing in idealistic vision of love jump in to marriages with Muslim male potential zombies. Some women recover and some do not.

What I read is that, not easy to write, most Hindu women in this situation start thinking like this: all religions are same. One woman even said that Islam is also a religion; so she converted and was suffering (you will read this from below). One said she also studied a bit of Islam and she felt that it is like every other religion. When confronted by a guy, actually a Muslim, she said there are many translations and interpretations. When people want to find reasons to suit their ‘what they wanted to believe’ belief, they can always find them.

Well, all religions are same? Look at the ignorance. Islam does not even recognize other religions; it abrogates and is supposed to subjugate and destroy other religions. Unless some people experience directly, they will never understand.
Below are the two cases I came across from two forums; sukhdukh.com and telugupeople.com.
Case 1. (Read the full article from here. Please read the comments and follow up.)
This is my experience in my life. I wanted say to every girl who wanted to marry a Muslim man to think twice before marry. Please, if you are involved with one of these guys think twice –Don’t just jump like me. I’m not saying all other religion men are good … there are good and bad in all religions. This is about my life with a Muslim hub.
I know after reading my article, many muslims or others may argue with me saying that this is not in all families or we are very royal and broad minded bla bla bla… who cares! What ever you are to the outer world……… you are always same inside!. Or 90% of them are like this! And this is very TRUE! I don’t want to listen your lectures!
Looking back to my college days, I first met this guy, who was very charming, and full of promises (which are of course all lies). I felt that yes… he is the one for me. I almost argued and lost every thing for him. I ignored my family’s pain and troubles I was giving them. All I had in my mind was love and love. To marry him, I even threatened my parents, and lot more which cannot be put in words. Emotions played a major role and my parents kept quit since I were a major. He converted me to Islam, giving me a new name, saying it’s the important thing to get the support or affection of his family.
I did that since he promised me that it will remain only on papers and will never affect me personally. (Lie again). Then the marriage, was very simple with few friends. I along with my some friends sat in a room, with all giggles and excited when a man came in and made me say “khubool hain” 3 times, and gave me some papers to sign and that’s it, he said Mubarak .. you got married. I said oh that’s all!! This is so easy and all my friends laughed. (There are no promises and nothing) that day.. I never ever thought about what I was doing.
Before I can relize I’ve already stepped into a cluster of thorns. The first two months were sweet. And then the real life started. My in-laws, first opposed and then they accepted since my husband has converted me to Islam. I started to do everything what they say just out of love for him. I started accepting my life as it came by. I have chosen this life and I decided to prove everyone that I didn’t do a mistake and wanted to be a good and faithful wife.
I started to accept them for what they are and finding the good in them and learn to love people who have nothing in common with me. My in-laws and husband gave a lot of book regarding Islam written in English. They started teachings about women and Islam, regulating me from what kind of food I should eat and what type of attire I should wear and what kind of people I should make friends with etc.
That was my first shock. I don’t have any choice. There is no request, everything is a command. I was ordered to cover my head and use a burkah when going out. It was so akward but still I kept quit. I were not allowed to do anything of my wish, coz Islam dose not allow a women to decide. Everything was done according to man’s wish. I cannot do this, I cannot do that, I cannot go alone anywhere. It was like a closed life in a free world. If we go to out on picnics, we cannot eat at good restaurants, since they belong to kafirs.
Though the hotel is very filthy and covered with flies and dirt, still we have to eat only at certain restaurants where they think they sell halaal meat. (they think that only these hotels have a Halaal meat) no matter how dirty they cook. Due to this I avoided going out. Slowly they ordered me to avoid my entire family, since they are kafirs? (A non Muslims) Today, I realize what a shameful act I have done.
As time passed my husband has become more inclined towards religion. He forgot his promises, his words. Says that women are born to serve men. The place of women is within four walls. They are not allowed to speak up. I never saw this side of him earlier. Men are allowed to do anything but not to be questioned. Some women never know where their men go and what they do outside.
Slowly he became jealous person and reads into any and all association with other men as suspicious. He is unable to understand that I gave up more for him and I would never cheat on him. I am now seeing that there are too many differences to overcome and allow for a peaceful existence. They are always commenting on others. Specially the festivals and attires of other cultures. He is cruel, demanding everything and abusive. It only brought me tears and sorrow. There is no respect for women.
Islam allows man to beat his wife. He can demand anything and she has to obey no matter in what conditions she is. Man can marry of his choice but women cannot. There are too many restrictions. I am now in a constant fear. I am scared to speak up. I know what he is capable of when he gets furious. I would only have courage to tell him all that if I was far enough from him and he could not physically reach me. I am terrified about the future.
He will put all sort of pressures on my kids to do things I do not approve of, I fear that he might take them away; He might hurt me or do some serious harm to me if I don’t agree with him. I want my kids to experience many good things in life, achieve as much as they possibly can and become confident, tolerant and considerate adults. I don’t think this will be possible. He demands that he is the one who decides about everything to do with them, but also demands that I confirm everything he says to them and never contradict him.
At some point all the family members are very radical. They are always commenting on other religions, though it makes me very outrageous I have no way except to keep quit. The only thing taught to kids from childhood is that this is the truest, purest and peace loving religion.. And at the same time justifying terrorism and jihad (killing of non Muslims). This religion which claims to be the truest of all, recites an Arabic Prayer (on hearing the death news of their religion member) called “Inna Lillahi Oa Inna Ilahi Rajeon” which means “Allah unhain jannat naseeb karay” and then they recite another Arabic prayer (upon hearing a death news of a Hindu) called Fee nari jahannama khalidin” Which means wishing him the eternal HELL!….. It continues.

Case 2. (This is more heart breaking and read from here for follow up.)
Hi im Hindu Brahmin Girl, before 3 years i got married with a Muslim guy..before marriage he told me convert into his religion..On that time i too got agreed and converted..but from the day one of our marriage life we are in troble because of religion, culture, and day today habits. His parents will smoke in home itself and all his brothers and sisters are uneducated..He is the only one who is earning..Already we got divorsed once but again we got re-married but now also we are having the same problem.i cant accept his religion and culture.But now we are having a girl kid.After having a kid also no problem is geting solved..Im finding there is no peace in my life..My family is totally against me..but my mom alone is talking to me..she is ready to take me back but she is putting one condition that i should get married with a Hindu guy..
what i should do in this case..I love him a lot but he only gives more importance to his family only to my kid also he is not ready to do anything because of financial problem..his dad is bed return and his mom is not healthy one of his sister is married but staying with parents and another sister is unmarried, my husband is having 2 brothers and my husband isthe eldest one among everbody..One brother got married and having a kid but he is with out job..another one is studying in college..no earning person in home except my husband..that too his salary is not sufficient to run the whole family..
in this case my mom is advising to come out from him as it is unsecured for my kid and myself in amy matter..my mom is indicating me that i will become alone in future..
so please kindly tell which will be the correct decision for me.

Her reply to some suggestions from members of that site is as follows:
Thanks for responding..IM not having problem jus because my husband parents are sick the problem is i cant accept the culture what they are following…i cant forget my culture and involve in their culture..and for each and everything even in keeping name for my daughter we had a fight..From living style till food we are having problem..we very well know we are not having mutual understanding with each other jus we both are loving each other we are together but our thoughts differs a lot..
I don ve any support from my family and their parents want me to study quran and namas which is not possible for me..they are saying me to wear bhurkha and my husband also wants these things from me..Even he is not calling my name also they ve kept a name for me as sherin and they are calling in that even my husband too..this makes me so much feel on my life and its very hard to accept for me..
Knowing all this my mom is calling me back..im totaly in dilamo wat to do

Read the follow up or suggestions from the given link; some are really stupid. I strongly feel that their thinking can only be a product of education glorifying slavery and multiculturalism; some suggestions are really hostile to the sufferer. I came across few more on net and they are below:
1. hi all,i was a hindu girl who got married to amuslim guy 2 years ago.i dont suggest inter -relegious marriage to the people ,especially when one of the partner keeps a condition of conversion.when my boy friend first asked me to convert,i said i will not,and we broke up.But i could not forget him and came to a conclusion that i will convert after all all relegions are the same when it comes to the relationship with god.but i was wrong.it was painful going through it starting from changing my name to not wearing bindi.i lost my identity.i was feeling a loss. Then my husband started expecting me to do prayers.and frequently threating to divorce if i fail to accept islam.
so please dont think that things will get better after marriage if you convert.things will get worse.you are going to hurt your parents. I have hurt my parents in lot ways,by abandoning the name they gave me.by abandoning the relegion they gave me.
iam really sad.i dont know what is in store for me in the future but i dont encourage hindu/muslim girls to the partners of opposite relegion if they have to give up their identity. (Some people can never learn or try to be still politically correct and diplomatic even after suffering.)
2.(This one is a reply to above comment) Sorry to sound harsh, but I was in the same situation a few years ago. I’m a Hindu woman who got married to a Muslim man and regardless of the success stories on here (three wrote about their success in the entire forum)(clearly, these are people who have worked extremely hard for their marriages to work and have been fortunate enough to have supportive partners), it does not always work. As with any relationship, there needs to be a lot of compromise and give and take. Unfortunately for me, I learnt that the hard way. He was unwilling to accompany me to Diwali celebrations, temple and even my sister�s wedding and other relatives because it was not �how Muslims do it�, yet I was expected to cover my hair and act like a proper Muslim girl and accompany him and his family to all his activities. But I was not a proper Muslim as I was brought up as a Hindu, this is the only faith I know and love and respect and it got to a point where I was constantly giving in and was not getting anything in return. It was all one sided so no wonder it ended in divorce!
I’m in such a happy place right now, I am now married to someone of my own religion-which is what it should have always have been and now have gorgeous twins
You need to ask yourself the question, if I convert to Islam because my bf’s insistence would I truly be happy? Will he do the same for me?
Marriage is not a joke, it should be taken seriously. (I am sure that she was unable to tie the ends, though she is lucky to have finished well. This kind of marriage only works if they are willing to submit too, not just Allah and but also her loving husband.)
3. Hi (name deleted), I wouldn’t say i’m that religious but he is to a certain extent. At 1st he said he wouldn’t want to change me but after speaking to some of his family members about me, he now tells me that i’d have to convert for our marriage to be accepted in Islam as i’m not a religion of the book. …… Thanks for the response. Don’t get me wrong, I realise all you say and i’m a very independent confident asian woman and I would want an equall relationship. My head tells me I should walk away but I just can’t control my heart. There’s no question of him converting and besides, he is religious and i’m not particularly so I wouldn’t ask him to convert to something I know little about. I am proud to be Indian though & don’t want to loose my identity so suppose I need to find the strength to walk away…. there seems to be no compromise in this.(Very proud to announce that she is not very religious, but her man is religious i.e. religious Muslim. The question here is if he so religious why the hell fall in love with a kafir that too a polytheist. This is what usually happens; they will say no need of conversion then say for the sake of family. Others can not always be blamed for one’s suffering, they have to blame their stupidity too.)
Again, thanks for your response. The problem I have is that he says he wouldn’t want to change me and does respect me fror who I am it’s just our marriage wouldn’t be accepted in Islam if I didn’t convert – and that’s important to him. We’ve both tried to walk away and he knows he’s asking a lot but we keep ending up back in each others lives. I’m usually so strong minded but that’s what worries me…. I can’t seem to just use my head here…. (Yeah, same confusion about being Jodhaa; after all we know so much about them, right. I will say damn these people. Nothing is known about what happened later to the women who wrote above comment, but considering how intelligent they are, we need not to guess.)

4. (skip this if you feel like. she says success, but has to convert then does not want to think about what she sacrificed because it might affect her relation, I just wonder. about these free woman) wow… for those of you who are struggling to work things out, may God guide you to make the right choice for yourself.
i thought i’d share my own story here, it may help some of you. i come from a middle class hindu family; my parents are neither liberal nor conservative. i was raised in the US, where i had friends of all races and religions; my parents did not discriminate, and they raised me the same way.
my mother is pretty religious, and she taught me the Hindu religion; but from childhood, i was very curious about religion and God. before i was 13, i had already memorized many shlokas with meanings, and read the Bible as well. i would bring books on the Vedas from the library, just searching for answers, and one day i opened up the Quran as well. to be honest, i didn’t find the answer i was looking for, that one particular religion was the right one; but I just found myself gravitating towards the idea that all religions essentially preach about one Truth, one God. i became comfortable with that concept, and rather than get caught up in ritual of worship, I began to engage in just worship alone.
then i graduated from university and started work. My coworker was a pakistani muslim guy. our relationship progressed from initial mistrust, to grudging respect to tentative friendship to becoming inseparable partners at work and outside, until we realized one day that we were in love. he talked to me one day, telling me frankly that he liked me a lot and would like to marry me. he told me upfront that he realized this was an unusual situation, and he told me what he could compromise on and what he could not compromise on. i knew that he himself was not uber-religious, but he said that for us to get married, his parents would want me to convert. he told me that he would do whatever else it took to convince my parents. i thought about it, and i realized that this guy had all the qualities i had ever wanted in a husband. the conversion part troubled me a bit, but not too much as i already knew quite a bit about Islam, and I realized that i essentially had a monotheistic concept of God, and i wouldn’t be conflicted too much on this point. i said yes to him the next day, detailing a few conditions: that he would not require me to wear a veil, that he would agree to give neutral names to children (though they would be brought up Muslim) and that he would treat my parents with the same respect that I would give his.
from that point, we began to plan our strategy. he brought his sister to work and introduced me as his coworker and friend. she and i became good friends, and she invited me often to their home. so i got to know his family and extended family. he never told them that we were in a relationship, but he always spoke of me in a positive light. soon, everyone was telling him to propose to me, urging him to do so before he lost me to someone else! this is exactly what he wanted… if he had talked to his family directly about me, they could possibly have opposed him; but this way he ensured that not only did his family embrace his choice, but that i would be welcomed wholeheartedly and with respect into his family.
my parents were harder to convince. they kept saying things like, why should you have to convert, why can’t he? i reminded my mother that even though her kul-devta, customs, language, traditions, etc. were different from my father’s, after marriage, she did everything according to my father’s family traditions, even changed her name. i tried explaining to them logically, telling them that his family was not conservative, they were just like my parents, except muslim. but my folks would not budge.
8 years had passed and we had to take a stance. my parents had met him and liked him but objected on his religion and nationality. they threatened to disown me and never speak to me if i married him. finally as i was getting to be an old maid, they said that they wouldn’t give their blessings, but the only way out was for me to either break up with him or present them with a fait-accompli.
i got my answer. so we got married last year in a small nikah ceremony with only his family members and some of my friends present. after the marriage, i called my parents and told them the news. my father just said – we hate the sin, not the sinner. you will always be our daughter and we love you.
it has been almost a year to the wedding. i talk to my parents regularly. some days are tough, but for the most part, they speak to me normally. they were worried about what our relatives would say about my marriage, so they didn’t tell anyone til about 2 months ago. surprisingly, everyone took the news well, or atleast no one said anything mean to my parents. i guess many people figured out that since i was refusing to get married, there was some reason behind it. some of my nicer cousins sent congratulatory emails to me, and happily i am rebuilding my relationships with my family members. there are some people who are immature or just plain mean, but i have learnt to ignore them. after all, i have got what i wanted… i know i have to be patient and things will work out.
dating is certainly different from marriage, which comes with a lot of responsibility and requires maturity, patience and a cool head, especially in this situation. my inlaws are mostly nice and non-interfering types, but i’m still the new daughter-in-law and i know there are some people who compare me unfavourably and who watch my every move with a critical eye. my policy is to kill em with love.
in terms of adjustment, honestly i am the one who has done a great deal of adjustment. whether it’s language, food, culture, religion, whatever. but i know that if i weigh these things on a scale, i will become resentful and unhappy. (this is what I was talking about; look at how she is advising even others; may be typical Indian slave mentality or may be some people settle for little.) at the same time, my husband is very supportive of me, (you can still divorce him and remarry some other. But after some years, you may not have that luxury while he has; he just has to go to Pakistan and pick a young girl. so do not take it for granted. ) and agrees to most of my demands. for example, i converted but refused to change my name officially – and he convinced his father on that point. he acknowledges the sacrifices i have made in our relationship and he makes it up to me in other ways. in a few months, we will have our wedding reception, and my family plans to attend this time 🙂 (of course they do. they are nice parents. for them their daughter counts always; much unlike Islam telling parents to kill such children.)
a couple of things i will say to the guys and girls who are contemplating a hindu-muslim marriage: lay the ground rules based on mutual respect (learn about mutual respect from her; she is an excellent example.) from the start and do not break or change them. secondly, never ever convert just to get married, only convert if you truly believe in the religion you are converting into. (She believes in Islam, now what? she has to hate every one? In due time she will be hating even her parents and calls them inferior and kafirs. Highly probable. Otherwise she is not a Muslim.)
i know it was a long read…but i hope it will be useful to some of you. wish you all the best with your relationships! (she says she has read Koran, I bet she has not. Or she must be having a non functioning dead brain.)

5. (This is a must read.)hi all,i have gone through most of the posts all i observe is most of the hindu girls here are just like me who have converted to islam to make their relationships work.
however for me the actual problems started after my conversion as i deeply studied islam to get better knowledge.Also my husband was very keen on me gaining more knowledge and faith. He always ridiculed hinduism infront of me but i never said anything coz i dont have sound knowledge of hinduism myself.
but however i was raised with good moral values.coming back to my story after conversion as i read more and more about islam i was disgusted coz i see a lot of voilence,sex and immorality especially in hadees including sahih hadees.so i stopped following them as relegious scriptures.this caused a lot of rift in our relationship as my husband believes that to be a muslim one has to follow both Quran and sahih hadees.
He threatened to divorce me a lot of times if i will not become a proper muslim.This husband of mine is the same guy who lied to me twice before marriage that i dont need to convert and he will accept me as what i am.My mistake was to trust his words.by the time i got so much deep in to the relationship he said i have to convert as the marriage will not be legal if not done according to islam. I decided to do research on islam before marraige as at that point i was so desperate to get married to him despite his lies.
My reason for forgiving him was even though he lied it was to win me back.i started my research on islam with Quran.Even though i never understood the concept od slaves and wars on unbelieversi liked the idea of one god.so i thought ok this is not bad and i said i will convert.
now again back to the story,my husband started forcing me to do prayers on time.if i miss any prayer he said a polythiest is alwyas a polythiest thats the reason why its told in quran to not to marry idolworshippers.
i got so frustrated that i decided to get separated from him.then he mellows down and for sometime he will not force me on anything.then after few days same story repeats.
Now as i stick to quran, i found out that even a lot of stuff in that is so biased and very unconvincing.so actually now i hate islam.
If i take relegion out of our lives i know that my husband and me will have very minimal problems,but this god of islam has made our lives hell with his absurd rules. (she grasped certain aspects of Islam but not every thing; this guy willfully lied and she expects him to become an apostate; it is more probable that he will be a Islamic martyr.)
every now and then just becoz of relegion my husband says this relationship wont work.i dontknow.i suggest hindu girls to check in detail the relegious teachings of your partner.if he is a secular type (Muslim being a secular?; one can ask a devil to be a god, it is a much better bargain.) and doesn’t ask you to covnert then go for it.but if they are asking you to convert then there begins your submission,and it goes on do the prayers on time,change yourname,be islamic in your behavious and so on..it will never end. so dont marry fantatic muslisms or for that matter fanatic hindus. (she reads koran and Islam and thinks that there is a fanatical version of Hinduism like Islam. I am getting tired of this and questioning myself about do these girls have brain?, like some one wrote in that forum. Once in a blog, owned by a modern Indian, Hindu woman, she has put up a post “what women want?”. Casually I commented that God knows, which I regretted immediately, and I wrote that every one seeks some respect and more importantly understanding. and she deleted my comment and advised me never to comment again on her blog.)

Well, I could add four or five more to this list; but they are all same. But as I already said in the beginning of this article, they are free to take their decisions and we should respect their right; they are responsible for their own destiny By making and supporting like a cage like control on women is inhuman and akin to going back to feudal age. And finally, I leave an article from faithfreedom.org which was put for western women; but it also goes for every other Non Muslim women; not a great one, then it is just a crash course. Then, knowing truth can not be a one minute sound byte.
It is here. I will try to sum it up in a comment, later.
P.S. Some times even guys get caught. Read a tragic case from here

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